Ali Sina is an Evil Agaisnt Truth - II

Who is this guy trying to start a stupid argument like a small kid? Instead of proving anything this person goes on getting angry and high blood pressure. This is the problem with some believers in Islam. They get angry and all worked up because someone had shown the true nature of their religion and its prophet. Why don't they instead do a research and find out for themselves if what Dr Ali Sina says is true or not. Then at least they do not have to make fools of themselves.

"We have printed millions of copies from your FFI challange page..."
"...we will make known you & Ali Sina & his evil mission to the world...to every king,president,prime minister of all nations..."

THANKS BUDDY,we are all counting on you to keep your promise.

[we have printed millions of copies of your FFI challenge page and your evil mission against a great prophat of a great nation……..we will make known you and Ali sina and his evil mission to the world…..to every king, president. priminister of all nations……..Ali sina is an evil against humanity…….his canadian citizenship should be cancelled..I am canadian leaving in toronto……i will present his page of challenge to priminister of canada MYSELF ……his challenge is a clear proof that ALI SINA IS A PURE EVIL.] Go....Go....Go... Brother! You are the most couragious muslim I have ever seen .Don't let this infidel to win.Allah will reward you with 72 Houres and unlimited Gilmans in the Jannat. Also If you can do this I assure I will give you my 72 houres as a gift in Jannat additionally.

This is in reply to admin:

----A Muslim from Canada Stated ["mohammed was a prophat……his life encourage marriage with older and younger men and woman……..so that you do not commit incest with your own mother and your own daughter……..well in atheistic socity incest is not a sin at all…..family sex is a great fun….."]

----FFI Admin stated ["Sir, such acts are illegal in civil societies. They are crimes punishable by law."]

++ Another FFI (Facts Fabrication International) lie. How FFI defines a civil society makes any one wonder? Incest is practiced in many non-islamic countries that legalize incest:

1. Belgium; legal
2. France; legal
3. Germany; illegal – there is a legal challenge to the law underway.
4. Japan; legal, but marriage is illegal
5. The Netherlands; legal
6. Sweden; legal, also allows marriage between siblings who share only one parent.
7. Israel; legal
8. Indian; legal statutes do not contain any specific provisions against incest.
9. Portugal; Incest is not specifically prohibited under Portuguese law.

The above proves that our good canadian friend was correct in his assesment and FFI is fabricating the facts to distort the true picture of Islam.

1. Belgium; legal
2. France; legal
3. Germany; illegal – there is a legal challenge to the law underway.
4. Japan; legal, but marriage is illegal
5. The Netherlands; legal
6. Sweden; legal, also allows marriage between siblings who share only one parent.
7. Israel; legal
8. Indian; legal statutes do not contain any specific provisions against incest.
9. Portugal; Incest is not specifically prohibited under Portuguese law. Where is your proof that is true?

To Murtad
This is in reply to Comment ID #26717
October 11, 2009 • 10:46 am

----You stated ["Where is your proof that is true?"]

++ Read the post carefully and you might be able to understand it. If still not able to understand it, go back to your local community college and they will be able to explain for you.

To the Truth, My Local Community College do not keep any statistics on Incest.You didn't able to show any reliable source of information regarding those country's legal law about Incest.I think it is wholly your made up.

To Murtad
This is in reply Comment ID #26722
October 11, 2009 • 11:15 am .

----You stated ["To the Truth, My Local Community College do not keep any statistics on Incest.You didn’t able to show any reliable source of information regarding those country’s legal law about Incest.I think it is wholly your made up."]

++ Are you real? Google it, go to your local library or call the emabssy of each country listed. They will tell you.

Exact mohammad like behavior. First he tries to reason, fails and then takes an aggresive posture.
Please print the challenge and distribute everywhere. I will make a donation.

good Muslim says:
"mohammed was a prophat……his life encourage marriage with older and younger men and woman……..so that you do not commit incest with your own mother and your own daughter"

Folks,
this is what Islam does to you...turns a perfectly normal mind into a load of camel dung.

"you are a pure atheist...you have a nilistic(sic) view about life" The idea that religious belief is required in order for people to have a moral code is fallacious,Greek philosphers refuted this idea long ago.If people follow certain religious practices because they think that some supernatural being will punish them after they die,that is, in fact not a moral code,it's simply fear . Moral and ethical principles are regarded as universal,the principle is basically the" Golden Rule", treat other people as you would want them to treat you. There is no need for an imaginary super being to enforce the rules of civilised behaviour, part of the reason for the backwardness of Islamic nations is that they have never developed a secular moral system.

funny good Muslim:
"we have printed millions of copies of your FFI challenge page and your evil mission against a great prophat of a great nation……..we will make known you and Ali sina and his evil mission to the world…..to every king, president. priminister of all nations……..Ali sina is an evil against humanity…….his canadian citizenship should be cancelled..I am canadian leaving in toronto……i will present his page of challenge to priminister of canada MYSELF ……his challenge is a clear proof that ALI SINA IS A PURE EVIL."

he he he he this is so funny.
Go to the prime minister of Canada, yeah, that will teach Ali Sina a lesson.

FFI editors, this post and many others like it are very entertaining. Can you post a few more?
Thanks

@ Truth

Child Abuse is illegal in virtually every country, while incest is an entirely seperate issue. Both are disgusting practices by the way.

Your Pedophile Prophet lustful fellow as he his would have 'married' his own sister if he had one lol

To Dagger
This is in reply to Comment ID #26837
October 12, 2009 • 12:14 am .@ Truth

You stated ["Child Abuse is illegal in virtually every country, while incest is an entirely seperate issue. Both are disgusting practices by the way. Your Pedophile Prophet lustful fellow as he his would have ‘married’ his own sister if he had one lol"]

++ Islam forbids child abuse and incest. However, your admin stated " such acts are illegal in civil societies."

To the contrary, the so called civil western societies legalize incest:

1. Belgium; legal
2. France; legal
3. Germany; illegal – there is a legal challenge to the law underway.
4. Japan; legal, but marriage is illegal
5. The Netherlands; legal
6. Sweden; legal, also allows marriage between siblings who share only one parent.
7. Israel; legal
8. Indian; legal statutes do not contain any specific provisions against incest.
9. Portugal; Incest is not specifically prohibited under Portuguese law.
10. and many more so called civilized societies legalize incest.

FFI (Facts Fabrication International) is simply a fraud. It is capitalizing on the ignorance of some simple minded people as evidenced by its supporters.

To the Truth, in response to post 26710

Yes, you are right, it looks like Admin made a mistake and that incest is legal in the sense that it is permitted in Atheistic societies. But it was just an isolated incident, of a mistake, not a deliberate lie, which is what you must prove. It is no proof that lying is the norm in FFI. Basically the vast majority of the facts presented by FFI are well-sourced and true. The vast majority of it’s arguments well grounded in Logic. And it is you who still has to prove otherwise. As it stands now you and our side just have differences of opinion about this.

At the same time, the high standards you raise + keep, will be used against all that you and Islamic websites say too.

People like Admin can make mistakes, like all of us. You just cherry-picked the weakest spot in this article, but it was not a big point that you won. You only really win if you prove the majority of facts presented here to have been fabricated and the majority of arguments to be logically fallacious. We hope you try to do that, it is a hell of a job for you and the facts and arguments will then be highlighted much more than even now.

Admin was still reacting to the marriage of Aisha also. Furthermore the Canadian Muslim said that Incest was no sin at all in Atheist Society. That family sex was great fun. These are vaque suggestive statements, that really mean nothing, they do not tell us about the NORM in Atheist societies. There is no prophet in Atheist society that gave an example of such behavior. The Canadian Muslim just talks about random Universal human behavior.

In Holland where I live I know incest is rare, frowned upon. It is only legal in the sense that it is permitted. The ones in Holland that are known for incestuous marriages of nephews and nieces are the Islamic immigrants from Turkey and Morocco and other Islamic countries. Many of the “imported” brides and bridegrooms into Holland are family of their new partners. This shows also in Islamic immigrants from Turkey and Morocco having on average more disabled children as a result. It is because of this that there is discussion in Holland about whether or not incestuous marriages should or should not be allowed.

I don’t really understand why you are giving so much attention to a letter that doesn’t provide a single argument.
But it is true that incest is no crime in some countries - for example in France or Sweden. I don’t think that these countries are “uncivilised”. I bet you could spend years in France without noticing that everyone there is allowed to have sex with their relatives. Rape and child molestion are crimes, of course.
But whatever two (or three or four..) adults do in their bedroom is none of your business AS LONG AS THEY DON’T HURT ANYONE. You can find that disgusting and you may vomit whenever you think of it – but that doesn’t make it a crime.
It’s simply none of your business.

Raping is a different matter, because in this case someone gets harmed. When the “prophet” made war captives, slave girls or a little girl having sex with him, then that’s rape, because it’s not consensual sex.

Quotation:
“mohammed was a prophat……his life encourage marriage with older and younger men and woman……..so that you do not commit incest with your own mother and your own daughter……..well in atheistic socity incest is not a sin at all…..family sex is a great fun……”
This guy justifies rape with the argument “it was a great idea too f*** anyone – otherwise one would have committed incest!”
Apart from the ridiculous idea that men who don’t get enough wives / female slaves would have sex with their relatives – don’t you think that rape is a crime whereas incest is-just-a-thing-you-don’t-like?

If The Truth is so adamant in criticizing the writings of FFI, some of us can return the courtesy to him:

My challenges to The Truth, in short. Ample sources can be given when he asks for them, as all debates with him are recorded here on FFI;

- He claims that Ali Sina wants to nuke Muslims. Thereby shamelessly taking out of context what Ali Sina said about retaliation with atomic weapons on Islamic countries when they themselves are hit by atomic weapons. But The Truth neglected to mention this retaliation-part. He is guilty of quoting out of context, something he accuses Ali Sina of countless times.
- He claims Ali Sina’s main motivation and purpose is earning money by scamming but his proof for that is very faulty and shortcoming. Let him try again anew.
- He claims Muslims only fought defensive wars!!!!!
- Mehbish Hossain, whom he complimented in general, claimed that anyone anywhere can choose any religion (s)he wants!!!!!
- He claimed: Evil is rampant in non-Muslim-societies. That is a fact. Without providing anywhere near enough proof&logic for that, or for the implicit claim that Muslim-societies were different.
- Lately he stated in The Challenge-thread:
++ FFI (Facts Fabrication International) is a paid organization supported by Anti-Islamic Intelligent agencies world wide for the destruction of Islam. Its purpose is to instigate hatred against Muslims in support of a predetermined political agenda.

Corollary to my 2 posts before;
The Truth, if you assert that all of Ali Sina's claims are effectively refuted, we want you to know that that we know that your most likely sources are anti-FFI-websites, who's purpose in dealing with FFI, is to discredit it with whatever means they can. And therefore are biased are untrustworthy in our opinion, same as your opinion about FFI.

And I am always willing to give you the context of why I am trying to refute you:
- Islam holds in my opinion too much unjustified power worldwide, without fair elections, at the disadvantage of followers of other beliefs in Islamic countries. And a part of the Muslims even want to spread Islamic power without fair elections over the rest of the world. For that to me Muslims have to prove that Islam is better than the other ways of organizing life or society.
- Muhammad and Muslims began with very extraordinary claims and must be held accountable to prove these claims with evidence and logic.
- Counterclaims are now being made by Islam-critics and Scientists. Mankind can now compare Islam's claims with the counterclaims,
- Your role seems to be to counter the counter-claims.
- So now we press our original counterclaims and counter the counter-counter-claims.

EVERONE...
DONT FORGET THE LINK..

ITS ALI SINA'S FAVORITE LINK AS WHEN HE VISITS THE SITE HE STARTS SOBBING :

http://www.examinethetruth.com/page_against_01.htm#Answering_Islam_debunked

To All;

++ Proving Islam is wrong is like proving mathematics is wrong.

++ Some people do not understand mathematics. They fail to understand the logic behind mathematics. Hence they hate mathematics and they curse at it. However, that does not make mathematics a false science.

Similarly,

++ Some people do not understand Islam. They fail to understand the logic behind Islam. Hence, they hate Islam and they curse at it. However, that does not make Islam a false religion.

++ On the other hand, Muslims do accept Islam as their religion because they know it is a true religion. They understand its logic as much as any mathematician understands the logic and theorems of mathematics.

++ Some might say, we can apply the above argument to other religions as well. That is true I say. However, unlike the Quran, the Bible and the Torah have been altered. Hence, that makes them unreliable for any logical person to choose them as a religion.

Sh1t floating up stream has more logic than islam

From article: \WE KNOW VERY WELL WHATTTTT CHARLES DARWIN WAS SEARCHING IN REMOTE GALACTICAL ISLAND\. Beam me up Scotty!

The Truth: You are right about the incest laws in European countries. But let us be clear about what is being talked about here, it is incest between consenting adults.
We are not referring to adult-minor incest at all. Child abuse is still that.
Noiw personally I think that incest is pretty revolting and that, I suggest is a normative response - but if it is only between consenting adults, who (aprt from them perhaps) does it harm?
Is it any part of the state's duty to police the non-coersive sexual behaviour of adults?
Doubtless you would say yes, but I beg to differ.

http://www.examinethetruth.com/ali_sina_on_the_run.htm

To All;

++ The articles presented by Ali Sinner and his supporters on this web site are logical fallacies. The so called evidence presented in them is fabricated. Many articles have been read on this web site. Anyone who checks references cited by articles presented on this web site, can clearly see that words are manipulated in the many versus listed in the Quran. Here is an example:

++ This web site FFI (Facts Fabrications International) manipulates verse 4-11 in the Quran as follows:

—-[[Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases (’s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise.]]

If we accept such manipulation to the verse presented above, then we can see that

“if a man dies and leaves 2 daughters, his wife and his parents behind we see that Allah prescribes that the survivors should receive of the man’s possession (2/3 + 1/6 +1/6 + 1/8 = 1 1/8)”. Makes anyone wonder if Allah knows math!

++ On the other hand, the true translation of verse 4-11 in the Quran states:

[[Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only women, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases (’s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise.]]

++ As a result, “if a man dies and leaves 2 daughters, his wife and his parents behind we see that Allah prescribes that the survivors should receive of the man’s possession (2/3 + 1/6 +1/6 = 1)”.

++ This is only one example of so many fabrications that are being presented on this web site. Any claim presented on this web by Ali Sinner and his supporters need to be investigated thoroughly. Many investigations have been done and it was proved over and over again that his claims are inaccurate and are manipulated.

Just imagine All the kafirs using the latest tech and brains( a rare entity amongst moslems) are unable to even get a few moslem cretins to see the truth that islam is pure evil! We have a billion of those idiotic stupid moslems who will turn violent at the drop of a skull cap. I think the end of the world is not too far. Give these nutty moslems a few nukes and show the women with our burka and he will nuke her. The stupidity of the brain dead moslems is really apalling and worrying. I just feel really disturbed when I see these stupidest moslems wearing burkha and skull caps swarming the place on fridays. Moslem scum bags have really used vaginal jihad against kafirs well. Morons breed morons.Moslems breed moslems and morons.

The Truth, comment 27232:
Your claim of "manipulation" in the verse (4:11) rests on the choice of "females" versus "daughters".
However, both are found in various translations of the Koran (check all the versions available at Online Quran Project). Yousaf Ali uses daughters, Pickthall uses women for example - so don't blame Ali Sina for muddles in the Koran translations.
But look at what the widow gets, just 1/8 of the (12.5%) of the man's assets, unless he has one child who is a daughter, when (according to you) she gets 1/3 (33.3%) - nearly three times as much!
So what does the widow get? Is it 1/8 as K4:12 states, or is it from 1/8 up to 1/3 depending on how many children of both sexes she has?
In these two verses the Quran (as you interpret it) clearly contradicts itself.
At least with the other interpretation, all that would have to be done in practice would be a scaling back of the assets to get the correct shares.

To me is seems very cruel that a man's widow, after a near lifetime of servitude to his family gets just 12.5% of his assets.
This must result (unless the man is very rich) in the widow being thrown on the charity of her (extended) family for the rest of her life.
What a marvellous example of women's rights and equality!

There is no such thing as evil, that is a religious concept. Muslims are confused and freightened. Most muslims have been raised not knowing what is in their stupid koran.
When the decent ones find out they leave because they cannot handle the ovious silliness , and absurdity of it. Anyone who stays is confused and to freightened to acknowledge and deal with the fallacies and contradictive nature of the koran.
Some are sick , and have mental illness just like muhhamad, which allows them to marry of their ten year old daughter. to 60 year old man. But none of them are evil just mentally ill.