Ali Sina is an Evil Against Truth - III
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We received the following response from this Muslim who lives in Canada (we think):
DO YOU THINK A PEDOPHILE CAN COMPOSE SUCH MAJESTIC VERSES.....WHICH GOES BEYOND IMAGINATION IN ITS HIGH MEANINGS......ARE YOU PEOPLE REALY MAD ?????? TRUELY YOU ARE UNDER SPELL OF DEVILE.....WAKE UP BEFORE DEATH CONSUMES YOUR TERM.....
By no means shall ye attain
Righteousness, unless you give
(freely} of that which you LOVE
And whatever you give of a TRUTH
Allah knoweth it well
quran 3;92
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, MOST COMPASSIONATE, MERCIFUL
HE IS ALLAH,THE ONE AND ONLY
ALLAH, THE ETERNAL AND ABSOLUTE
HE BEGETETH NOT, NOR HE IS BEGOTTEN
THERE IS NOTHING LIKE UNTO HIM
quran 112:1-4
Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day;
in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise. (QURAN !:164)
9. Has not the story reached you, (O people!), of those who (went) before you? - of the people of Noah, and 'Ad, and Thamud? - And of those who (came) after them? None knows them but Allah. To them came apostles with Clear (Signs); but they put their hands up to their mouths, and said: "We do deny (the mission) on which ye have been sent, and we are really in suspicious (disquieting) doubt as to that to which ye invite us." 14:09
10. Their apostles said: "Is there a doubt about Allah, The Creator of the heavens and the earth? It is He Who invites you, in order that He may forgive you your sins and give you respite for a term appointed!" They said: "Ah! ye are no more than human, like ourselves! Ye wish to turn us away from the (gods) our fathers used to worship: then bring us some clear authority." 14:10
11. Their apostles said to them: "True, we are human like yourselves, but Allah doth grant His grace to such of his servants as He pleases. It is not for us to bring you an authority except as Allah permits. And on Allah let all men of faith put their trust.
12. "No reason have we why we should not put our trust on Allah. Indeed He Has guided us to the Ways we (follow). We shall certainly bear with patience all the hurt you may cause us. For those who put their trust should put their trust on Allah."
13. And the Unbelievers said to their apostles: "Be sure we shall drive you out of our land, or ye shall return to our religion." But their Lord inspired (this Message) to them: "Verily We shall cause the wrong-doers to perish!
Below is the email response to him from one of our editors:
Dear Sir,
Anyone can say nice things, including Muhammad. Saddam Hussein was a mass murderer. I once watched a TV interview with his daughter when he (Saddam) was in prison. His daughter spoke how much of a good father he was. She elevated him to a super-dad status. I believe her. Some of the people we think of as ruthless killers, have done and said beautiful things to a certain groups of people (or to certain individuals too). This does not give Muhammad a clean slate. There are authenitc Islamic sources that tell of the genocide Muhammad consistently did against other groups of people. The same applies to his rapes and pedophilia. In your email, you seem to imply that Muhammad is not a pedophile. I invite you to go to our FFI site, read the "Challenge", and then tell me if Muhammad is a pedophile or not.
In your email, you also quote some Koranic verses. You seem to enjoy their beauty. I am sorry to tell you that the Koran is one of the worst books to read. Sixty percent of it is threats, hate and violence. What is good about a verse that tells a man can beat his wife (4:34)? I am an Arab, and there is nothing worse than asking me to read the Koran. It is boring. It is violent. It is filthy. It is no more than trash. Yet, you are glorifying it. I wonder if you even know Arabic? If you ask an Arab to choose between reading the Koran, and reading the writings of Nizar Qabbani, I gurantee you that 99.99% of the Arabs you ask will choose reading Qabbani over that filthy book you are trying to glorify.
Here are some of the Jewels of that great book of yours:
Beating Women:
004.034
• YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
Forcing people to pay a different tax (Jizya) just because they happen not to believe in Islam:
Koran 9:29: "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
That thug, Muhammad, did not even have a respect for a holy place like the Ka'ba. Read this authentic Hadith:
Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 582:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
On the day of the Conquest, the Prophet entered Mecca, wearing a helmet on his head. When he took it off, a man came and said, “Ibn Khatal is clinging to the curtain of the Ka’ba.” The Prophet said, “Kill him.” (Malik a sub-narrator said, “On that day the Prophet was not in a state of Ihram as it appeared to us, and Allah knows better.”)
How much of a respect did Muhammad have for a holy place like the Ka'ba to order the killing of a man who was seeking refuge in it? Regardless of this person's (Ibn Khatal) crime, Muhammad should have forgiven such a man who desired Allah's protection by hanging onto the Ka'ba's curtains.
Sir, the problem we have with Muslims who write to us keeps repeating itself. They do not know their Koran, and the reasons different verses were "revealed" to that thug. Many muslims who contact us don't know much about the Hadees and the evil lying in it done by Muhammad and his bandits (Sahaba "companions"). Your emails exhibit the same symptoms.
Regards
Editor
To Admin (or ALi Sina ) You
To Admin (or ALi Sina )
You have been trying to deceive people by giving them incorrect information. If you have the the courage, just confront the challenge page you LIAR. Truth about you is exposed. Dont delete comments which expose the truth about u liar fraud Ali Sina.
To the Muslim brother in Canada :
What kind of logic makes you call our Messenger pedophile? Do u even know what a pedophile is? It is logically and scientifically proved that our Messenger doesn't fit the definition of a pedophile. Ali Sina has lied about that and you can clearly see it in the challenge page- just read all comments.
@MH: You are completely from
@MH: You are completely from childhood like many musalman brought up under this cult called islam.I agree ,You cannot overcome the shock and Human nature of justifying wrong as Right.But ,check in your inner mind - You know koran is satanic verses ,terror handbook.
In 20th century Mohammadans under amin-ul-hussaini supported the slaughter of Jews by Nazi Regime.Check here:
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/
Be Bold and Gain Courage to go through this great website.It Helps you to gain confidence to save from the clutches of Pagan Moon God Cult called Islam.Islam is the reason for poverty,terrorism and hate.it is medieval and the so called prophet of koran is a shame to humanity.wake up!
To Dil Kya Kasoor : I was
To Dil Kya Kasoor :
I was not brought up as a proper Muslim even though I have Muslim name originally. I converted to Islam =) . Before I converted to Islam I knew about this website and it encouraged me to understand Ali Sina =) .
I visited that website.
Please feel free to visit this link im giving u where Ali Sina have been already proven wrong and a liar as evidenced by http://www.examinethetruth.com/page_against_01.htm#Answering_Islam_debunked
It will help you know more about FFI =)
This in reply to
This in reply to admin;
----You stated ["That thug, Muhammad, did not even have a respect for a holy place like the Ka’ba. Read this authentic Hadith"]
++ The only thug here is you. Do you really think Muslims are stupid? The only stupid here is you and those who believe in your lies. You can lie as much as you can. You can scam as many people as you can. You can even ask for donations as much as you can. But never ever insult people's intelligence. That would be a huge mistake!
Anyone interested in finding the truth should click on the link:
http://www.examinethetruth.com/Ali_Sina_Gone_Wild.htm
"The Truth" Here is a part
"The Truth"
Here is a part of the definition of what a thug is""noun: A person who treats others violently and roughly"
When you read the above definition, and the Koranic verse and Hadiths provided above, doesn't Muhammad qualify to be called a thug?
I won't be responding to you Truth. I have a busy day ahead of me. However, I'd like you to know we try to be very honest when we talk about Muhammad. Just the plain truth.
Editor
To The Truth, Why do
To The Truth,
Why do Mohamadeans quit Islam ? Is it because they are stupid ? If so, were stupid when they were Mohamadeans ?
To Admin: WE DONT TRUST
To Admin: WE DONT TRUST U...WHEN THE TREACHEROUS SECRET OF ALI SINA IS EXPOSED !
Dont try to hide your face !! We already know that ALi Sina RUNS away from any debate..otherwise I CAN guarantee you 1 billion dollars that Ali Sina is fraud lying to make money on the internet.
http://www.examinethetruth.com/page_against_01.htm#Answering_Islam_debunked
Is the website that exposes the truth about FFI . (Im sure u know it already and u r ashamed to expose the truth)
Well..whether our Messenger can be defined as a thug or not is completely your own opinion that lacks scientific justification...It really doesnt matter whether U PERSONALLY THINK he's a thug or not. You and Ali Sina (or maybe you r Ali Sina who is JOBLESS) hiding behind the curtains and claiming things with obviously lacks logic.
R U TOO SCARED TO REVEAL THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF? wE DONT CARE WHETHER U THINK ISLAM IS THE TRUTH OR NOT. ALL WE CARE ABOUT IS YOUR DIRTY LIES AND FALSE CLAIMS WITH THE INTENTION OF DECEIVING PEOPLE !
http://www.examinethetruth.com/page_against_01.htm#Answering_Islam_debunked
IM SURE U'VE GONE THROUGH THIS WEBSITE WHICH CLEARLY DEFINES WHAT YOU (=ALI SINA) ARE. WHAT A LOSER PLAYING TRICKS ON THE INTERNET !!
p.s. EVERONE...
DONT FORGET THE LINK..
ITS ALI SINA'S FAVORITE LINK AS WHEN HE VISITS THE SITE HE STARTS SOBBING :
http://www.examinethetruth.com/page_against_01.htm#Answering_Islam_debunked
To MH and family. You should
To MH and family.
You should be grateful that your comments are allowed to be posted and are visible here, unlike on the sites that you promote (no prizes to guess the reason why they dont allow comments). They also do not have links back to other sites which they debate against(no prizes to guess the reason). Anyway is has always been truth verses propaganda, since 1400 years.
To admin : ur so
To admin :
ur so illiterate
have u studied psychology at university? EVERYTHING DONE HAS A REASON BEHIND IT. For example : If I behave violently and roughly as a policeman...you would still call me thug right? So does that mean a person who behaved like a thug at some point in time has a bad character? How can u prove it scientifically (using psychological studies).
Not even an idiot would say something stupid ! No wonder u r JOBLESS !
Zebulin, Go through that
Zebulin,
Go through that site before u say something ! You'll get to know what these Ali Sina gang of jobless people are.
I have, but cant comment on
I have, but cant comment on anything on the site.. anything that is not subject to question is akin to propaganda ... isnt it ? how can anyone defend or argue the case ?
Zebulin : Then why does Ali
Zebulin :
Then why does Ali Sina gets caught red handed everytime and run away from all online DEBATES ? Why ? There r so many scholars out there who would love to get ALi Sina's $50,000 !
What is the punishment for
What is the punishment for leaving islam. Isnt that reason enough to avoid devout Mohamadeans for a person who has quit Islam ? BTW there are plenty of others check out http://www.youtube.com/AhmadsQuran3 videos too.
MH Muslims disect all other
MH
Muslims disect all other religions quite rationally but when it comes to Islam it appears that act brain dead. I went to the link you provided where lot of scientific 'truths' in Koran were debated.
Can you name anyone or any modern science theory or fact that was inspired by Koran. I am sure there is none. Let us say tomorrow any new discovery is made or any new theory is postualted - I am sure Muslims will pour their heads into Koran and try to find some arabic word or phrase and then try to find its roots words, etc (as is done by Zakir Naik) and then tell their muslim brothers that it is already mentioned in Koran.
Why dont you all muslims study Koran throughly and come up with some path breaking knowledge so that non-muslims also acknowledge the greatnes of islam. Why is that only when the non-muslims have discovered something that you shout from roof tops that it was already mentioned in Koran.
Dont you see absurdity in all this.
Regards,
Raman
Zebulin, Thats anothere
Zebulin,
Thats anothere issue to be discussed about and there are good reasons why Apostates are discouraged to stay in Muslim communities. It is not currently related to topic being dealt with here. If u want to know about it then visit : www.islamonline.com .
Ramam Quran is error-free
Ramam
Quran is error-free (=flawless) which is a FACT. What do u mean brain dead? There are so many educated Muslims who are very pious. But dont judge Islam by looking at the behavior of people who have Muslim names. www.islamonline.com can help u gain knowledge.
By the way, ur speaking about a different topic not related to the issue being dicussed here.
To admin This is in reply to
To admin
This is in reply to Comment ID #26929
October 12, 2009 • 9:49 am .
++ After examining the facts and the definition you provided, no part of the definition fit the prophet Mohammed's behavior. Hence, your claim has again been proven wrong.
----You stated ["Forcing people to pay a different tax (Jizya) just because they happen not to believe in Islam:
Koran 9:29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”"]
++ Again you are fabricating the facts. You are taking words out of context to suit your argument without presenting all the facts. In reality, the above verse refers to the historical context in which the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) fought against other nations. The Prophet Muhammad did not initiate aggression against anyone, rather he and his followers were under attack from all who sought to crush the new Islamic state. In light of the historical context of this verse, it becomes very clear that the verse was revealed in connection with aggression initiated against Muslims at that time.
++ You stated that "you try to be very honest". However, trying to be honest is not an indication that the person is truly honest. An honest person will say “I am honest”. The articles presented on this web site by Ali Sinner and his supporters lack honesty and objectivity. Everyone is interested in facts but not fact fabrications. Facts fabrications must end.
[Thats anothere issue to be
[Thats anothere issue to be discussed about and there are good reasons why Apostates are discouraged to stay in Muslim communities. It is not currently related to topic being dealt with here. If u want to know about it then visit : http://www.islamonline.com .]
Hmm.. this too seems like avoiding an uncomfortable situation.. doesnt it.
BTW i think even Homers works are flawless. So does that qualify as divine poetry ? that line of thought is nonsense right ?
It is very funny to find many
It is very funny to find many Muslims on this site FFI are talking & quoting sites where their new Prophet Jerk off Zakir Naik supposedly has proved all of Ali Sina's allegations against Pedo.Mo false. By jerking off some vile verses from Qu'rand the Islamic book of prostitution. Where Allah Dalla ( the pimp god ) has proved Pedophilia is Sunnah of Pedo. MoHamMad.
How pathetic ??? LOL
Jerk off Zakir Naik has been tucking his dirty Islamic tail between his hind legs and hiding from Ali Sina and FFI's Chalenge just like any rabid yellow dog . Ha Ha Ha Ha
To the Truth [You are taking
To the Truth
[You are taking words out of context to suit your argument without presenting all the facts. In reality, the above verse refers to the historical context in which the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) fought against other nations.]
Dont you think other Mohamadeans would disagree that anything from the Quran can be out of context ? If you think that certain verses are out of context would you ignore them ? Can you give me a list of verses which i can ignore today, so as to get a version which will lead me to the truer meaning of Islam by reading the edited Quran?
To Raman This is in reply to
To Raman
This is in reply to Comment ID #26956
October 12, 2009 • 11:18 am .
----You stated [" Can you name anyone or any modern science theory or fact that was inspired by Koran. I am sure there is none. Let us say tomorrow any new discovery is made or any new theory is postualted – I am sure Muslims will pour their heads into Koran and try to find some arabic word or phrase and then try to find its roots words, etc (as is done by Zakir Naik) and then tell their muslim brothers that it is already mentioned in Koran. Why dont you all muslims study Koran throughly and come up with some path breaking knowledge so that non-muslims also acknowledge the greatnes of islam. Why is that only when the non-muslims have discovered something that you shout from roof tops that it was already mentioned in Koran."]
++ The science of Algorithms in Algebra was invented by Alkhawrizmi, a Muslim mathematician. Muslims contributed tremendously in the advancement of science. The Quran encourages all Muslims to seek all kind of knowledge. The Quran demands on every Muslim to seek knowledge till the time they die. Imagine if a nuclear war does happen, there will be no nothing left and we all go back to the stone ages. To that effect, the Mongolians attacked the Muslim nation several centuries ago. All scientific and non-scientific books written by Muslims scholars were destroyed and burned by the Mongolians. No book survived. Nevertheless, Muslims had to start all over again while Europeans continue where Muslims left off.
Halapork - Who do u think is
Halapork -
Who do u think is hiding? U have common sense? Zakir Naik and many of other scholars appears publicly everywhere especially on Tv and invites all kinds of challenges against Islam. Ali Sina is always hiding behind curtains and doesn't want to accept any challenges. If Ali Sina is confident that he would win his challenge, he should ATLEAST indulge into an online debate. He ignores because he clearly knows he will be defeated logically.
To Halalpork This is in reply
To Halalpork
This is in reply to Comment ID #26964
October 12, 2009 • 11:39 am .
----You stated ["It is very funny to find many Muslims on this site FFI are talking & quoting sites where their new Prophet Jerk off Zakir Naik supposedly has proved all of Ali Sina’s allegations against Pedo.Mo false. By jerking off some vile verses from Qu’rand the Islamic book of prostitution. Where Allah Dalla ( the pimp god ) has proved Pedophilia is Sunnah of Pedo. MoHamMad. How pathetic ??? LOL
Jerk off Zakir Naik has been tucking his dirty Islamic tail between his hind legs and hiding from Ali Sina and FFI’s Chalenge just like any rabid yellow dog . Ha Ha Ha Ha"]
++ I can see a lot of anger in you. This must be to the fact you couldn't measure to such an outstanding debater as Dr. Zakir Naik.
++ By looking at the type of argument that you have just provided, it is with no doubt that you exactly fit the type of criteria of an ignorant person. If leaving Islam and following Ali Sinner's line of teaching will make me like you, I must stick to my choice. That choice will always be Islam.
To Truth : Was Alkhawrizmi
To Truth :
Was Alkhawrizmi inspired by Koran? Muslims say that Koran contains scientific facts like earth revolves around the sun, etc.. But it were non-muslims who discovered this fact. Now there can be two things :
Either Muslims did not understand the Koran properly - which i doubt is the case
or these facts were discovered by Muslims but were stolen by kafirs or the last and the most probable possibility that Koran does not contain anything scientific - it is only the concoctation of the muslims who keep on inventing the root of the arabic words.
I happened to discuss the issue of \earth is round \ with a muslim. he immediately quoted a verse of Koran and mentioned that Koran tells that earth is like an egg and that too an ostrich egg. When I saw this verse in english translation of 3 re-knowned persons - it did not mention anything on egg. I too saw Zakir Naik's explanation - he takes you to the root of the word and then come up with the egg and ostrich explanation.
I know you muslims have brains - as you find the faults in other religions very quickly and i should say not all are wrong - but i do wonder where does your rationality goes when discussion Islam. Why are you all blinded by a man who if not Pedo, rapist, murderer, etc - is still acussed of the same - and the proff is very solid. Why dont you come out of islam for some time and view as the rest of humanity is viewing islam and then take a rational decision.
Zebulin Comment ID
Zebulin
Comment ID #26966
October 12, 2009 • 11:43 am
You stated ["Dont you think other Mohamadeans would disagree that anything from the Quran can be out of context ? If you think that certain verses are out of context would you ignore them ? Can you give me a list of verses which i can ignore today, so as to get a version which will lead me to the truer meaning of Islam by reading the edited Quran?"]
++ Do I have to teach you logic and English? If so then you need to go back to school.
++ I said:
++ Again you (admin) are fabricating the facts. You (admin) are taking words out of context to suit your argument without presenting all the facts. In reality, the above verse (9:29) refers to the historical context in which the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) fought against other nations. The Prophet Muhammad did not initiate aggression against anyone, rather he and his followers were under attack from all who sought to crush the new Islamic state. In light of the historical context of this verse, it becomes very clear that the verse was revealed in connection with aggression initiated against Muslims at that time.
++ I said admin is taking words out of context. There is nothing wrong with the Quran.
To The Truth According to
To The Truth
According to your "outstanding debater", the scriptures of the Hindus mention about Mohamad (refer to the debate/forum with Sri ravisankar and therefore they too are authentic sacred scriptures. Zakir Naik says in defnition he is a jew and also calls himself a christian and calls himself a hindu too based on certain explanations.He is a good debater but by no means a scholar, but entertaining enough.
[ You stated ["Dont you think
[
You stated ["Dont you think other Mohamadeans would disagree that anything from the Quran can be out of context ? If you think that certain verses are out of context would you ignore them ? Can you give me a list of verses which i can ignore today, so as to get a version which will lead me to the truer meaning of Islam by reading the edited Quran?"]
++ Do I have to teach you logic and English? If so then you need to go back to school.
]
Can you clarify what you mean by that statement ?
Let me rephrase.. Can anything be quoted from the Quran out of context ?
To Raman This is a reply to
To Raman
This is a reply to Comment ID #26980
October 12, 2009 • 12:20 pm
You stated ["Why dont you come out of islam for some time and view as the rest of humanity is viewing islam and then take a rational decision."]
++ Proving Islam is wrong is like proving mathematics is wrong.
++ Many people do not understand mathematics. They fail to understand the logic behind mathematics. Hence they hate it and they curse at it. However, that does not make mathematics a false science.
Similarly,
++ Many people do not understand Islam. They fail to understand the logic behind Islam. Hence, they hate it and they curse at it. However, that does not make it a false religion.
++ On the other hand, Muslims do accept Islam as their religion because they know it is a true religion. They understand its logic as much as any mathematician understands the logic and theorems of mathematics.
To Truth : It is OK if
To Truth :
It is OK if someone does not understand mathematics - but if someone does then will it be obligatory on him to kill the person who does not understand maths.
The problem is not that you understand Islam or not. It is good in case you understand Islam and makes you a better being - the problem lies in the fact that the people who understand Islam want to convert others into islam and if not, then kill them. This has been the case since ages. People inspired by Koran have committed hineous crimes against humanity. The only common factor between them was the Koran and Mohammed.
To All; ++ Proving Islam is
To All;
++ Proving Islam is wrong is like proving mathematics is wrong.
++ Some people do not understand mathematics. They fail to understand the logic behind mathematics. Hence they hate mathematics and they curse at it. However, that does not make mathematics a false science.
Similarly,
++ Some people do not understand Islam. They fail to understand the logic behind Islam. Hence, they hate Islam and they curse at it. However, that does not make Islam a false religion.
++ On the other hand, Muslims do accept Islam as their religion because they know it is a true religion. They understand its logic as much as any mathematician understands the logic and theorems of mathematics.
++ Some might say, we can apply the above argument to other religions as well. That is true I say. However, unlike the Quran, the Bible and the Torah have been altered. Hence, that makes them unreliable for any logical person to choose them as a religion.
To Raman, Muslims are
To Raman,
Muslims are encouraged to live in communities rather than live in Kafir environments. But its alrigtht is a Muslim feels fine with a Kafir community. It basically depends on the nature of the person.
You talk about understanding mathematics? Do u know what human beings are? Each normal human being in this earth understand mathematics. You understand maths. I understand maths. Even an adult who never attended school nor kindergarden understands maths (even if they dont know mathematical language)
You tell me...how is it possible for someone who already knows that 2+2=4 but denys the truth and says 2+2=3 ? Even a begger(who never went to school) knows how to count money. It is not a matter of understanding. It is a matter of denying the truth. Everone is basically capable of understanding or knowing the truth. Some people dont bother to understand and they remain in unrealistic illusions. These illisions belong to evil (=satan).
People who are Apostates are ENCOURAGED to get out of Muslim communities because Muslims are not comfortable with letting these people stay inside their communities for strong reasons. That is why, we encourage Apostates to get out of Muslim nations because they donot belong to that Muslim community. There are strong reasons to justify these matters and u can research online..there r too many Islamic websites u can look at. =)
Kind Regards
To Raman This is in reply to
To Raman
This is in reply to Comment ID #26991
October 12, 2009 • 1:16 pm .To Truth :
You stated [" the problem lies in the fact that the people who understand Islam want to convert others into islam and if not, then kill them. This has been the case since ages."]
++ That is a false. Muslims have never compelled non-Muslims to become Muslims, and this myth has been propagated by Western Christian writers and many others.
++ In fact it is quite clearly written in the Qur'an Surah 2 verse 256, "There is no compulsion in religion."
To MH: ''Muslims are
To MH:
''Muslims are encouraged to live in communities rather than live in Kafir environments. But its alrigtht is a Muslim feels fine with a Kafir community. It basically depends on the nature of the person."
"People who are Apostates are ENCOURAGED to get out of Muslim communities because Muslims are not comfortable with letting these people stay inside their communities for strong reasons. That is why, we encourage Apostates to get out of Muslim nations because they donot belong to that Muslim community. "
The above statements made by you proves what an animal you are.
Get out of your dirty shitty world and learn to embrace the whole humanity . We are all humans irrespective of our religions.
To Raman, Yes there are many
To Raman,
Yes there are many many many (i dont know the number) so called Muslims who commit crimes or indulge into wrong action that go against Islam . Those are only Muslim by names, not by action. So never judge Islam by looking at people who have Muslim names. Also, no Muslim is a perfect Muslim (except for our Messenger according to Quran) and people are different...different lifestyles suit different people...different people have different features / natures ...etc
Raakshas, As Muslims it is
Raakshas,
As Muslims it is our duty to behave well and justly with Kafirs. It is a responsibility of Muslim. In which theory do u want to save humanity? How am I am animal? You prove it using logic !
Please muslims tell me one
Please muslims tell me one thing.
If a woman is raped by a pious muslims, then how shall she proof that she has been raped?
In Islam 4 witnesses are needed, dont hide , how can she get 4 witnesses.
Now here is the way which modern science and moral authority can prove. 'Medical report', through analyzing the semen and other liquid when a pious muslim rapes a woman, we can catch that 'thug' and 4 males witnesses is just plain stupidity and evil. Tell me if 4 male witnesses are there, why cant they save her instead of seeing the rape and 'may be 'report it. In maximum cases all these 1,2 3, 4 etc will be rapists themselves.
muhammed thus making this rule, legalised 'rape'.
SHAME on muslims.
Some Statistics: while
Some Statistics:
while muslims are hardly 1-1.5 % in US, they have 18 % contribution in Jails.
In denmark while 4% muslim population, but 70 % in jail inmates, maximum for doing there Sunna of raping teenage girls. In all countries , muslims are maximum in jails and less in Universites or scientists, or enginners etc. Muslims have almost double and triple number of childrens than non-muslims and do petty works like cab driving, halal cooks, labour work, petty thieves, street gangs, drug pedlers etc.
If you think ( THNK - as an
If you think ( THNK - as an opinion) that a Muslim is pious and he committed rape...then he is not pious anymore...in Islam Rape is Haram. No real Muslim should commit rape. In Islam, raping anyone is a crime.
How can muslims say that 2+2
How can muslims say that 2+2 =4 , is correct in case of Islam and not for others. thats the main problem. This analogy is false. All know muhammed was illiterate and arabs were at the lowest level of civilization.
Also in recent times, muslims are worst in science, mathematics, reading books and have zero contribution to human progress. While non-muslims are best in mathematics , science etc. Thus obviously being non-muslims they are better in mathematics and muslims after following koran and other absurd books are weak in mathematics etc.
Does muslims have any shame?
Muslims use kaffir contribution like electricity, fan, fridge, bus, car, rail, plane, computers, internet and what not. After that they kill non-muslims as per there jihad and still eat the food and take medicines from non-muslims by showing there 'poverty card' to human right groups and UN.
Shame on you muslims, you are honestly a parasite and curse on human civilization.
MH Comment ID #27028 Aha ,
MH
Comment ID #27028
Aha , now you are playing 'tagiya', what you call then 'raping a non-muslim woman'???
Then what does right hand possesion mean ?
Does any pious muslim have issued a fatwa that you cant have non-muslim women as booty. All know muslims take non-muslim women as booty not for talking but to rape. Dont try to play taqiya.
Muslims have been exposed. Infact in our Europe, you guys have been caught in tapes that raping white women is ok and good in islam, by your mullahs.
Do one thing please call your muslim group head to issue a 'fatwa' that raping or taking non-muslim woman as haram and any muslim who does this is not a muslim.
MH is a poor Idiot which,
MH is a poor Idiot which, being a poor (or pure) Idiot, converted to Islam.
My best Compliments to "Editor" who answered to the "poor pure" Idiot.
There is Nothing intelligent in Islam, and Nothing spiritual - while Intelligence and Spirituality are to be found in every other Religion.
Islam is based on Shahadah which states "... Muhammad Rasoul AlLah". Considered Words and Deeds of Muhammad, AlLah is not God, and for whoever consider one like Muhammad to be his/her Prophet ... well ... no Religion at all there!
But we know: many like to belong to a Mafious System - and Islam is it.
Thank you Ali Sina and Staff for your precious Job: with the Corruption's Level of Today's World I don't know how many will follow your Way of Truth - most of the People will maybe follow that (completely) corrupted Way called Islam.
Anyway: it is wonderful to have People like you, enlightening the World with Truth. Thank you from the deepest of (my) Heart.
Dont get fooled by these
Dont get fooled by these fellow like 'The Truth' or 'MH' etc, who tell that after studying Islam from FFI etc have converted to Islam. These just one of the many gimmicks which these evil followers play, also many time you will find some user playing as muslimah tell that sharia and female genital mutilation, husband beating wife, husband having 4 wives, and having sex with 'right hand possesion' is great. They love to be muslimah in such cases.
To Truth and MH : Why do
To Truth and MH :
Why do want to fool yourself. Just look at the following link :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEXnEfdvv6s
This tell you the story of the Kalash people who are inhabitants of Pakistan and believe in nature worship. They are slowly being converted to Islam and how?
Kalash people are poor they need jobs - Jobs can only be provided if you convert to Islam. So fine - in order to feed oneself they convert to Islam - but it is a one way path - you cannot convert back to Kalash culture - in case they do - they will be killed. Soon these beautiful people will loose their own culture which they have been practising since ages.
Muslims are not using voilent method to convert people but are surely you wont be proud of waht is happening.
I think you both are living in western world - so you dont know what Islam is - you are only fancing its so called good tenents - try living in an Islamic country and then you will relaise what Islam is.
MH: What kind of logic makes
MH:
What kind of logic makes you call our Messenger pedophile? Do u even know what a pedophile is? It is logically and scientifically proved that our Messenger doesn’t fit the definition of a pedophile.
I say:
Your prophet is a pedophile who made pedophilia holy through his man made religion which is Islam. Muhammed was a filthy sexual pervert who lusted for babies wrapped in blankets.
The Truth: ++ The only thug
The Truth:
++ The only thug here is you. Do you really think Muslims are stupid? The only stupid here is you and those who believe in your lies. You can lie as much as you can. You can scam as many people as you can. You can even ask for donations as much as you can. But never ever insult people’s intelligence. That would be a huge mistake!
I say:
The only person who is stupid here is you for defending your pedophile prophet.
The Truth:
++ That is a false. Muslims have never compelled non-Muslims to become Muslims, and this myth has been propagated by Western Christian writers and many others.
I say:
Oh really? So Muslims are not murdering, raping, beating, torturing, kidnapping, harassing, and persecuting nonmuslim minorities in Muslim countries?
Marie Comment ID
Marie Comment ID #27115
October 12, 2009 • 10:11 pm
Dont claim things without proof. Go to the challenge page and read all comments. That will prove you the truth.
In response to Mehbish
In response to Mehbish Hossain, post nr 27002.
You say, I: “Muslims are encouraged to live in communities rather than live in Kafir environments. But its alrigtht is a Muslim feels fine with a Kafir community. It basically depends on the nature of the person.”
Then, also, II: “ People who are Apostates are ENCOURAGED to get out of Muslim communities because Muslims are not comfortable with letting these people stay inside their communities for strong reasons. That is why, we encourage Apostates to get out of Muslim nations because they donot belong to that Muslim community. There are strong reasons to justify these matters and u can research online..there r too many Islamic websites u can look at. =)
Just after WWII the vast majority of Dutch were Christians, but since then there has been a lot of apostasy from Christianity. The Dutch people are, apart from the Muslims, a mixture of all sorts of followers of religions, or life-views, but mostly Christians and Atheists one might say. Now, in Holland Geert Wilders, advocates against too much immigration by Muslims and against Islamization of the country. He encounters, from both Muslims and many followers of other beliefs very fierce opposition. He is accused of being racist, ethnocentric, far-right etc for even suggesting of not allowing into Holland a person, or, heaven forbid, a person to be encouraged to leave Holland, because of being Islamic. And Geert Wilders also can provide “very strong reasons to justify these matters, for which you can search online”.
The persons you refer to as apostates in Muslim communities are probably for a big part Christians and Atheists, as the majority of Dutch people are.
If YOUR views were stated in Holland, only the other way around (so encouraging Muslims to leave Christian-Atheist-communities), then they would cause furious indignation, you would be called a racist, ethnocentrist, by Muslims, Christians and Atheists alike. I myself am appalled by your attitude, towards apostates, Atheists, Christians and others, in Muslims community, as compared to your attitude about Muslims living in Atheist-Christian society. Do you honestly not see your own hypocritical double standards? Would you see them if say a Buddhist expressed your views? I wonder, do you understand Geert Wilders’strong reasons better now? If what you said is a view of the Imams and many Muslims, does that not add to HIS “Strong reasons”?
In response to Mehbish
In response to Mehbish Hossain, post nr 27008, in thread Ali Sina is a threat against Truth III.
You say: “Yes there are many many many (i dont know the number) so called Muslims who commit crimes or indulge into wrong action that go against Islam . Those are only Muslim by names, not by action. So never judge Islam by looking at people who have Muslim names. Also, no Muslim is a perfect Muslim (except for our Messenger according to Quran) and people are different…different lifestyles suit different people…different people have different features / natures …etc”
Answer: Now here may be something we can work out. In FFI there is criticism of Islamic holy texts, them being alleged in part untrue, in part inspiring detrimental behavior by Muslims. And also facts are presented about actual detrimental behavior by Muslims. And they are explained as caused by Islamic teachings.
Now, it may be that a lot of detrimental behavior is perpetrated by Muslims by name only, not by action. Also, as admitted by you, no Muslim is a perfect Muslim. This gives a lot of room for speculation;
I. Can you True Muslims really trust Muslims-in-name-only? Can you even trust True-Muslims all the time, since they are not perfect?
II. Then, when outsiders, followers of other beliefs, cannot see the difference between True Muslims and Muslims-in-name-only, can they trust Muslims all the way?
III. If Muslims cannot be trusted all the way, isn’t it logical that they should not be given anywhere total power? But only controlled, democratic power? Just like ALL the followers of other beliefs, on principle. I am just saying here: Isn’t it best to have ALL submit to democratic rules, so Muslims also? Everywhere?
IV. If you true Muslims want to establish anywhere on Earth a truly Islamic state, but without democratic control mechanisms, how can you be sure that some dissimulating Muslims-in-name-only and some true Muslims in moments of weakness (imperfection) will not abuse uncontrolled power? Which is what theocracy and dictatorship brings in our opinion.
V. When Muslims-in-name-only in your own opinion perpetrate detrimental acts against humanity, then isn’t it imperative for True Muslims to distance themselves as far as possible from these proven perpetrators of crimes against humanity? Even if it means unequivocally siding with their democratic opponents? Because by now True Muslims have experienced much heavy criticism and shame and ridicule precisely because of the detrimental actions by Muslims-in-name-only. Since the followers of other beliefs are not very able to distinguish between the True Muslims and the Muslims-in-name-only.
To give you clear choices; If Taliban are not True Muslims, can you side with NATO fighting them? If the Iranian government, together with the Revolutionary guards, are not True Muslims, can you side with the peaceful demonstrators for democracy against them?
If you do, then partially you would be in agreement with FFI and its visitors. It would give all of us a basis for negotiation, towards peace between us.
Islam appeals to the most
Islam appeals to the most egoistical and weakminded people because it makes them feel special, like they've got the right religion. Otherwise, they would be crap, because they come from some of the crappiest countries on the planet.
We must pity them. They have nothing else to boost their egos. They must believe they are the chosen people, as it appeals to their deep inferiority complexes.
Mehbish Hossain, in
Mehbish Hossain, in short.
The vast majority of Dutch people are ingrained with the Golden Rule;
- What you don't want done to you, do not do that to another.
- What you want done to you, do that to another also.
I hope and trust that most of the time you also abide by this rule.